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#2023 - 02/06/16 07:48 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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@mw382009 thanks for the insight. I just saw the email today, as it was sent to my mil account and any reply I sent won't be seen until Monday. So as far as vetting, it would make sense to have the "phase II" then allot a class slot later in the year. But like you said this is all just speculation at this time. More hard fact are soon to follow. Regardless, it looks like we will be in Medina at the same time.

#2024 - 02/06/16 09:34 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: bowldsy]  
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Thanks for the info bowldsy. I'm putting in a package for PJ so keep me updated on how that process is working now.

#2027 - 02/08/16 03:12 AM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: bowldsy]  
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Phase II is nothing like indoc. Unless you're an officer don't worry about it, it has nothing to do with you.
But just to humor you it's basically it's like 2 weeks of late indoc packed into 1 week. 1 big massive smoke session with barley any sleep, terrible water con... etc. It's so bad that the point of it is that officers that actually make it through, t's pretty much guaranteed they'll never quit indoc.

#2028 - 02/08/16 10:29 AM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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So did I get the email in error? Or do prior service have to attend phase II, it's just different for enlisted vs officers?

#2029 - 02/08/16 10:45 AM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: justacone]  
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Originally Posted By: justacone
Phase II is nothing like indoc.
Correct, but it exist for a reason and an accessment lacks validated purpose of there is NO go-no go decision objectives and actions.

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Unless you're an officer don't worry about it, it has nothing to do with you.
A very foolish comparison and conclusion to assert. If an individual is required to participate in a phase 2 assessment it is something to take seriously. The OP's question about phase 2 is clearly something new and after additional disclosure of his service history is clearly connected to the crosstraining (entry classification/entry job placement) concurrently involving transition out of reserve component into Regular (active duty) Air Force.

As I stated in another thread the opening of the last closed to women military occupations has much change blowing in the wind. Simple explanation is human performance studies done last year demonstrated what level and quality of human standards are needed which involves a bit more than being a looking good on the fitness training field.


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It's so bad that the point of it is that officers that actually make it through, t's pretty much guaranteed they'll never quit indoc.
it does have this result for officers, but officers incur a several year service obligation (just like completing pilot training) and the purpose is to ensure the officer is there to serve performing CRO duties for those years.

I will be visting the courses at Lackland, HQ AETC, and CRO/PJ School house and will give insight from those implementing current official policies and course training objectives.

#2032 - 02/08/16 09:29 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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@bowldsy: I would be very surprised if it were an error. I think they are separate entities but both are assessment courses. You are vetted through your application package (phase I) then in person (phase II). I think this is a brand new policy and one of the many Yukon has mentioned will be implemented in the future. Best bet regardless, is to email him your intentions and go show your worth. Let us know if you hear more!

#2034 - 02/09/16 01:50 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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My recruiter confirmed that this is a vetting process and after the week long assessment I will return to my home station. I requested more information about the assessment curriculum/schedule of events from the CFM in preparation for attending. I will update as more information is made available to me.

#2044 - 02/13/16 02:04 AM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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Check out my site for some tips on how to get through Indoc

www.thedirtycone.com

Good luck in Ballz 3!

#2046 - 02/15/16 07:24 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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How long did it take you guys to build and submit your packets to receiving orders for Dev/Indoc? I'm curious because I have now been working with my recruiter for 2 months and still not finished. That's with me calling/txting every other day. Could it be because I am prior service? He has also told me he'll need to summit a waiver from a misdemeanor I had 8 years ago and isn't even on my record anymore. Said it will take another 2 months. How long does the process usually take?

#2047 - 02/15/16 09:18 PM Re: Ballz 3 (March DEV/Indoc class) [Re: mw382009]  
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Chanceum89: I couldn't tell you as I am active duty USAF and am crosstraining into Pararescue. Completely different process. I believe @mikebern is prior service so it would be a good idea to PM him. Also, check out the site above. Good info.

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