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#2920 - 04/29/17 09:15 AM Army Cavalry Scout VS SOWT  
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Hello,

I was wondering if someone can help straighten something out in regards to what an Army Cavalry Scout does in comparison to what a SOWT does...minus the weather part. Yes, SOWT are weather specialists and Cav Scouts are...well.. scouts but if you take away the weather part, don't they both conduct recon and gather intel to give to HHQ for mission planning? I want to know how they are alike and how they're different minus the obvious. I ask because in conversation, a coworker said to me "SOWT is basically Army Cavalry without the weather part. You get sent out to find the enemy first which means you're the first to catch bullets." So, I wanted to ask here in hopes someone with actual knowledge and expertise can lay down the knowledge with expertise. Thank you!

#2921 - 04/29/17 11:38 AM Re: Army Cavalry Scout VS SOWT [Re: Torres]  
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Few natural phenomena change so radically and unpredictably as the daily weather. Best example is hurricane statistical travel predictions which number 50 or more predictions that become less in numbers as the hurricane system gets into the area of interest.

Yes the SOW classification job description states "Provides tactical-level intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance to enable decision superiority and application of airpower across the full spectrum of military operations." It further informs “Conducts reconnaissance and surveillance of routes, areas, zones and objectives of interest. Operates, emplaces and services ground based sensors and utilizes unmanned aerial systems to support reconnaissance.”

The problem with terms such as tactical-level and Foreign Internal Defense is while it appears to have no being there utilization boundaries and constraints in reality boundaries and constraints exist when applied to the specific being there doing something tactical capability.

Tactical-level essentially has the same meaning as combat level which encompasses many levels from planning the execution of operations, to supporting the execution of operations, to being there as an armed combatant doing ground, air, or sea combat.

Weather to include its effects on terrain, sea state, ice and snow fields, soil stability is neither stable or cyclic in that it often changes from hour to hour in any given location and is influenced by systems many miles and days away that wobble unpredictably during travel into and out of areas.

Weather is observation and forecasting and most weather observation even at the tactical level is done through use of automated air dropped or flown over area of interest devices that automatically gather weather observations and transmit to the forecasting data gathering centers.

Consequently the availability of reliable automated devices create an operational risk management constraint on putting SOW in harm’s way more so than is present for putting the CAV scout into harm's way. Although the tactical being there purpose is different both have duty positions connected to collecting observable data and duty positions that evaluates, and assists in interpretation and dissemination of combat information (the powerpoint warriors briefing commanders).

19D Cavalry Scout -- Leads, serves, or assists as a member of scout crew, squad, section, or platoon in reconnaissance, security, and other combat operations. Has 4 skill levels and each skill level has word descriptions pertinent to conducting recon and gathering intel which is being pulled out of a larger duties description and pasted below.

Skill level 1: Serves as member of observation and listening post. Gathers and reports information on terrain features and enemy strength, disposition, and equipment. Applies principles of escape and evasion. Collects data for the classification of routes, fords, tunnels, and bridges. Performs dismounted patrols. Employs principles of cover and concealment and camouflage.

Skill Level 2: Selects, organizes, and supervises operation of observation and listening posts. Supervises scout vehicle recovery operations.

Skill Level 3: Collects, reports and evaluates accuracy of intelligence information. Directs reconnaissance of fording sites, tunnels, and bridges. Directs route / area / zone reconnaissance at section level.

Skill level 4: Collects, evaluates, and assists in interpretation and dissemination of combat information.


#2951 - 05/23/17 01:47 PM Re: Army Cavalry Scout VS SOWT [Re: Torres]  
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Well one thing is Cav Scouts are not in or under Special Operations Command. That's like saying "Well infantry is basically the same thing as Rangers they both shoot bad guys, or a Fister is the same as CCT". Just ppl comparing dick sizes to make their own career seem cooler.

Bottom line, SOWT go through a lot more intense training than a Cav Scout to possess a lot more capabilities than just being a "scout".

#2954 - 05/24/17 08:51 PM Re: Army Cavalry Scout VS SOWT [Re: Torres]  
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Originally Posted By: JohnG
Just ppl comparing dick sizes to make their own career seem cooler.
Typically and generally the case in comparing similarities and differences in training and qualifications connected to military occupations.

However being in or under Special Operations Command by itself is no differing qualifier by itself as for many military occupations there are no additional screening, selection, or special qualification or skill identifier requirements for such duty assignment. Further, other than the Special Forces 18 series military occupation classification there is no enlisted and very few career duty assignments in Army Special Operations as it is MOS and grade that determine assignment throughout a career more so than a Special Qualification Identifier or a Special Skill Identifier.

Making an infantry military occupation classification comparisons to airborne duty assignment and ranger assignment is significant over-simplification as such duty assignments are open to numerous Army Military Occupation Specialty Classifications where the awarded requirement is either a Special Qualification Identifier (P-parachutist) or a Special Skill Identifier (G-ranger/V-ranger parachutist).

Example: Duty assignment to the 75th Ranger Regiment is open to following MOSs.

Commissioned Officers
11A, 12A, 13A, 25A, 27A, 30A, 35D, 35E, 36A, 38A, 42H, 53A, 56A, 57A, 61N, 65B, 65D, 70B, 70H,
73B, 74A,, 88A, 90A, 92A

Warrant Officers
131A, 251A, 254A, 290A, 350F, 350G, 351L, 351M, 352P, 420A, 882P, 890A, 915A, 920A, 920B, 921A

NCO and Enlisted
11B, 11C, 11Z, 12B, 12H, 12R, 12W, 12Y, 13F, 13Z, 25B, 25C, 25E, 25N, 25P, 25S, 25U, 25W, 25X,
27D, 29E, 35F, 35G, 35L, 35M, 35N, 35P, 35X, 36B, 37F, 38B, 42A, 42F, 56M, 68J, 68S, 68W, 68X, 74D,
79S, 88M, 88N, 89B, 91B, 91C, 91D, 91E, 91F, 91G, 91X, 92A, 92F, 92G, 92L, 92R, 92W, 92Y, 94E, 94F,
94W

Considering the above which MOSs represents having the training, qualifications, skill level to be the fire team leader, small tactical team squad leader, platoon leader? I’m willing to bet those holding an Infantry MOS represents top of the pecking order of being the operational capability. Point being made is compare military occupation classification skill levels and career development requirements and not unit or organizational duty assignments.


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