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#2633 - 11/08/16 11:50 AM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: leroyjenkins]  
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leroyjenkins,

Here is the link to the PJ Assessment thread.

http://specialtactics.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2226/New
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#2715 - 12/28/16 10:52 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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Has anyone heard when the next retraining assessment will be held?

#2716 - 12/29/16 12:41 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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Jan 22. I just received an email from MYPERS that my application was sent back due to class slots unavailable. Not sure how the last slot was filled when the assessment isn't until the 22nd of January. Maybe they had a lot of applicants scheduled for the assessment? So, if you are a FTA like me you will have to wait for slots to re-open. Good luck!

#2718 - 12/30/16 12:56 AM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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Dang, the same thing will probably happen to me then. Mine was sent to the CFM last I looked, but I have not received an email like the one you described from MYPERS, or from the CFM. That's too bad we have to wait, you'd think for BA AFSCs the quota of available retraining positions would be higher. Good luck to you as well!

#2719 - 12/30/16 12:29 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: saberz007]  
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Originally Posted By: saberz007
you'd think for BA AFSCs the quota of available retraining positions would be higher.
How so?

You do realize the BA AFSCs are the least in allocated numbers of funded duty position (manpower) in the force structure?

You do realize that numbers in an AFSC's enlisted grade allocation force structure distribution decreases above the SSgt 5-skill level?

The Air Force considers enlisted skill level, rather than grade, the primary indicator with regard to experience and/or effectiveness required to perform a task (AFI 38-201). The expeditionary skill and grade mix should generally be the same as for peacetime operations, except that requirements in the crisis environment should minimize the use of 3- levels. Only utilize 3-levels when AFSC specific technical skills can be applied in the deployment environment (e.g. Third Country National escort or Postal augmentation) (AFI 38-205). I highlighted critical info in red as review of CFETP will show if initial skills courses have reduced wartime training requirements or not. This is critical as expeditionary skill is not the same as wartime skill and very few AFSCs exist primarily to deploy over the horizon to a crisis or incident with minimal notice or planning. Consequently the 3 level core tasks, at least for pararescue, reflect minimum trained and qualified to be assigned to a combat unit to be deployable capability and resource. The majority of the enlisted BA AFSCs available to deploy force structure resides within the 5-level E-4 and E-5 ranks. A 7-level NCO in the BA AFSCs is providing critical leading which is why policy of "Grade of E-5 or below with less than 10 years Total Active Federal Military Service (Total Federal Military Service for Reserve of the Air Force personnel)" is in place for Pararescue and Combat Control,

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Combat Units—Forces expected to fire weapons, conduct reconnaissance, or engage in other activities directly related to combat operations. Includes, but not limited to, Fighter, Bomber, Reconnaissance, Special Tactics, Rescue (Guardian Angel), Special Ops, Missile, and Airborne Command and Control squadrons, regardless of MAJCOM.

#2720 - 12/31/16 04:17 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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I did not know that BA AFSCs are the least allocated intentionally. With the limited knowledge I have, I figured it was due to a lack of people having the desire or ability to retrain for a BA AFSC. I do realize that the enlisted force structure decreases the further up the chain and that 5-level personnel are the workhorses of their environment, so to speak. I do understand why the Air Force considers the skill level over grade as well.

#2721 - 12/31/16 08:57 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: saberz007]  
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Originally Posted By: saberz007
I did not know that BA AFSCs are the least allocated intentionally.
This is an incorrect perspective of how allocations to put students into training for any AFSC, to include the BA AFSCs, come into being available. The allocations that get into being are what the Air Force needs, no more, no less.

By definition, a manpower requirement is the manpower needed to accomplish a job, mission, or program.

Pertinent to this the Air Force has 23,333 active duty enlisted Security Forces (funded manpower allocated positions) compared to 550 Active duty Pararescue, 621 Combat Control, 102 SOW, and 1,244 TACP.

Consequently allocations that come into being to retrain an Airman out of current AFSC into a BA AFSC is a limited requirement sized to reflect what the specific BA AFSC needs to maintain and sustain the total manpower requirement to accomplish the mission the BA AFSC provides the capability to do.

The perspective pertinent to a lack of people having the desire or ability to retrain for a BA AFSC is inaccurate as numbers submitting retraining applications demonstrate more than sufficient numbers apply each fiscal year. The ability is the problem which is why Combat Control, Special Operations Weather and Pararescue (as of May 2016) require all who submit a retraining application attend an assessment to complete the application approval to retrain into those AFSCs. The reality of the 22 Jan 2016 CCT assessment being unable to accommodate any more individuals for consideration further demonstrates there is no lack of FTA and career airman trying to retrain into the BA AFSCs.

#2724 - 01/03/17 11:34 AM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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Alright, thank you. I believe I understand why now.

#2937 - 05/15/17 01:00 PM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Goose]  
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Received approval to attend the August assessment. Next up is the formal invite. Any others attending?

#2950 - 05/23/17 09:20 AM Re: Retraining Assessment [Re: Dylanderson]  
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I received my approval for the August assessment as well. PM so we can talk offline.

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