http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/11/18/air-force-moves-to-open-7-combat-jobs-to-women.html A US Air Force Official has said she wanted to open 7 combat jobs in the Air Force to women [including Pararescue and Special Tactics] by the spring of your 2016. Thinking purely of social equality I think this is a great idea and why not? But when I think about actually being an operator I think it will create many distractions and make me lose my focus on making it through training and ultimately completing the mission. What are your thoughts on this?
#412 - 01/17/1503:22 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
An option for thoughts was eliminated effective January 24, 2013. On this date official policy was implemented that resulted in 13 April 2013 Air Force decision the 7 closed to women combat jobs remaining in the Air Forces force structure will be opened to women NLT 1 January 2016.
Air Force Deborah Lee James is a political appointee who is just putting out spin (propaganda) for sake of appearances.
The news reporting is actually dissemination of official public relations press releases with no effort to actually background research anything.
Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James predecessor Eric Fanning actually implemented policy to do so dated April 24, 2013.
Within the policy was the following implantation time line and milestones:
• 31 Oct 15 SOWT AFSC open, begin recruit/assess/select phase (one year)
• 30 Nov 15 CCT/PJ/STO AFSCs open, begin recruit/assess/select phase (one year)
Consequently the lack of official disclosure of policy changes and other guidance into public scrutiny keeps the lowering or not lowering of standards and whether diversity quotas will be established that mandate the AFSC will be composed of 20% or more of service members of the female gender in the realm of being nothing more than speculation and rumor gossip until 1 January 2016.
A mandated gender diversity quota is effectively a concealed means of lowering standards without disclosure standards have been lowered. Decreeing a diversity quote is authoritatively mandating those of the female gender will be put in the job whether they have the human performance capabilities and abilities to do the job safely and effectively or not.
Actually reporting what current Secretary of the Air Force's opinion or belief on quality of human performance standards changes and gender diversity quotas would be new news. All the news article referred to in the original post does is regurgitate or rewrap old news as new news. It keeps cows and sheep (those led and manipulated by use of propaganda) placated by keeping them in ignorance, i.e., old news repackaged as new news.
Decreeing all AFSCs will be populated with a 20% or higher female presence whether the actual female service member is actually able to do the job or not without disclosure of what lowered capability and ability quality of human performance is the acceptable new standard brings with it consequences in the same way the Affordable Care Act did when it was approved with authorative imperial decree by the party in power of it must be approved to find out how much quality of life is going to improve.
And then of course ---when I think about actually being an operator I think it will create many distractions and make me lose my focus on making it through training--is nothing more than another person worried about their potential to fail and putting out their failure excuse before hand.
#414 - 01/17/1505:51 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
Thanks for the gut punch I probably needed that [no sarcasm intended]. On the point of quota's lower standards is defiantly not something to strive for however my biggest worry now would be getting in to the program considering they will probably have some form of affirmative action program now. However if I want it enough that shouldn't matter. As always thanks for the insight.
#416 - 01/17/1508:21 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
The punch was to emphasis cause and effect is connected to a personal belief and opinion about behavior (conduct, attitude and motivation)rather that the human bodies biological and physical capacity and ability to do something.
The distraction being argued is personal rather than universal to everybody. Apparently those of the female gender, as my comment will eventually expose, have the same insecurities and impaired self esteem distractions concerning them too.
A complex personality trait argument comes into play with gender being a distraction. The primary distinguishing critical element of the argument is the individual with a normal quality of healthy emotional and mental fitness should possess the self discipline to not get distracted by differences in gender when safety and survival of life and limb is involved. It follows then self discipline should be of sufficient quality to prevent distraction in the coed learning environment.
To some extent there are individual that thrive (learn, earn wages/salary) in the mixed gender environment and there are those who cannot or will not or have difficulty integrating in the mixed gender environment.
The common locker room environment of same gender group showering after gym class or team sport activity exposes a growing trend in individuals having impaired gender and sexual modesty directly connected to lack in self-confidence, self-respect and self adequacy connected to their gender.
How many elementary and secondary schools (high schools) now discourage mandatory showering after gym class. Much of this is connected to growing insecurities about appearance and particularly the gender body parts being to small or even to big. Thus what exactly is causing the distraction is connected to self confidence, self esteem, and a few other personality traits.
Integrating females into the currently remaining 7 closed AFSCs means intimate coed training is on the horizon and if you got small dick insecurities (boys) or being in close proximity of male insecurities (girls with tiny boobs or extremely large boobs) you either control your succumbing to such distractions or you demand a separate training program.
Thus come the social reality of women wanting male gyms open to women membership but concurrently demanding female only gyms be allowed because females need their special gyms.
Mr. Foster's opponents counter that women must be allowed to exercise in women-only gyms because many can never be comfortable working out with men, whether out of modesty, shame, past abuse or rape, religious requirements or what some describe as simply an aversion to intimidating, sweaty, leering hulks. Forbidding all-women's clubs is thus a blow against women's well-being, physical and psychological, they say.
The point being pertinent to coed courses of initial entry and coed courses required for award of 3-level AFSC how is it you are not able to control your distractions and from an extended perspective how does or can instructor change your personality to keep you from being distracted. Consequently, you are in control of your focus, if you lose your focus it's you allowing the loss of the focus. Wax on-wax off, you choose if you are going to get distracted and lose focus of wax on-wax off to look at the girl sunbathing a few yards away.
#420 - 01/17/1508:52 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
my biggest worry now would be getting in to the program considering they will probably have some form of affirmative action program now. However if I want it enough that shouldn't matter. As always thanks for the insight.
If no female integration quotas are imposed the affirmative action is limited to only increasing the pool of eligible fish in the pool to select from to put into training.
If the standards are lowered the quantity of eligible fish to select from increases more.
The impact as far as directly effecting any and every individual's chances remains limited to either the individual meets the entry classification requirements or does not meet them.
Considering numbers of people needed to put into training each fiscal year is about 120, the risk--presuming the individual meets the entry classification qualifications--of the individual not getting the EAD and entering into the training required for award of 3-skill level AFSC remains the same risk. The context being the progression of the course of events in getting the EAD necessary to get into BMT and subsequently required occupation-specific entry training is influenced by chance more so than certainty, particularly when the need for people to entry place into the job (occupation) is few compared to many.
#427 - 01/18/1507:57 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
Here's a life pattern statistic from 1910 to consider (before WWI and WWII):
In 1910 schooling held a greater attraction for females than males.
In 1910 60% of all high school graduates were women.
In 1910, nearly one-third (30.6 percent) of all women between ages of fifteen and twenty-four were gainfully employed.
The social dilemma is elementary and secondary education as jobs became more higher skills and knowledge demanding began failing to prepare women for a concurrent home maker (parenting, child rearing role) and high skilled wage earner role.
The extended complicated social engineering debate is choice of what goals to focus on complicates the life pattern. It is the becoming a biological parent and subsequently being responsible and accountable for the care of the child or children that complicates the individual's life pattern more than any other choice.
Pertinent to individual and unit combat readiness this complication connects directly to how much impairment and loss of at-the-ready combat readiness and combat capability must and should be accommodated. This social engineering perspective being about dependable and reliable availability has no direct connection or correlation to occupation-specific physical fitness standards. Thus lowering performance standards does nothing to address increased costs to sustain dependable and reliable availability of individual and unit combat readiness.
This is also why the registering for the draft will likely remain a male only burden to comply with.
#429 - 01/19/1501:33 AMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
Unfortunately it will be a distraction whenever the female student is eliminated from training. This distraction is significantly different in political and social engineering orientation than gender causing distraction from accomplishing and performing task to include learning that was the perspective orientation of "me" getting distracted put forth by the OP.
A professor of management at a Canadian university says that she only allows women to speak first in her classrooms and thinks that the policy should be adopted in other forums as a way to combat misogyny.
“Women get to speak first,” Saint Mary’s University management professor Judy Haiven proposed Thursday at a misogyny forum held at Dalhousie University.
“In classroom discussions, in question periods, and at public events, men should not be allowed to monopolize these forums,” continued Haiven, who was part of seven-member, all-female panel organized by the Dalhousie Gender and Women’s Studies Program and the school’s student union.
misogyny-hatred of women (female), especially by a man (male).
Women in the public service go on disability leave at almost twice the rate of men, a problem some experts say should be addressed as part of the government’s new disability management scheme. ...
Women on disability have outnumbered men by at least two-to-one every year for the past decade. ...
The average age for women approved for disability in 2013 was 46 years, compared with 49 for men.
By far the biggest driver of claims is mental health, led by depression and anxiety. ...
That gender gap was even more pronounced among the younger, under-40 population, where claims in 2013 were fewer but the rate of disability among women compared to men was closer to three-to-one for some age groups, such as those between 35 and 39, and between 40 and 44.
The focus primarily on disability pattern is lacking context with the changing nature of the workplace brought on by the Industrial Revolution(1876-1900) and the woman employment pattern since 1900. Prior to the Industrial revolution most wage earning work was from home industry (products produced in the home), on small family farms, or in small family run businesses (local saloon, mercantile/trading store. etc). However, with emergence of industry, factories, chain grocery stores (1916-Piggly Wiggly, opened in 1916 in Memphis Tennessee) employment opportunities outside of the home and off the family farm expanded significantly.
By 1910 the pattern emerged of the majority of girls and young women worked for five to eight years and if conditions were at all prosperous they left the workplace to be mothers and homemakers. This pattern still exists although the Family and Medical Leave Act and growing child daycare industry (if it can be afforded by the family) has made the majority a smaller percentage. However just coincidently retention of commissioned officers at the eight year point is a consistent concern of Congress and DOD. Availability of the fully qualified and mission ready NCO in small highly skilled military occupations which concurrently are a needed mission/combat capability at and beyond the eight year point is also a significant concern of the combat air forces.
The three attachments are cartoons drawn by PJ Indoc students back in the 1980s-90s. Subject of the humor is mental health, depression and anxiety after SIE or elimination from training. Mental and emotional fitness is a significant concern which is the causal for TAPAS testing.
#432 - 01/19/1504:59 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
In considering the opening of the seven combat jobs in the Air Force to women, the reality of being a ground combatant must be considered. Although Pararescue is not considered to be a killing AFSC, the crossing of nation-state boarder without invitation or the going behind enemy lines to rescue downed aircrew or any other isolated personnel is considered by International law as being an offensive and aggressive act of war.
This is why pararescue is a ground combatant AFSC even though the desirable mission profile is to avoid engaging the enemy or contact with hostile forces. Besides the declared enemy there is also indigenous civilian groups that may also be deadly hostile to the rescue team. During WWII warring amongst themselves headhunter and cannibalistic tribes were just as dangerous encounter as encountering the Japanese. Furthermore armed and hostile partisan and criminal groups are as likely to be encountered in regions where influence of governmental or military control gets replaced with anarchy.
MSF Surgeon Killed in Syria September 5, 2013—A Syrian surgeon working for Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), Dr. Muhammad Abyad, has been killed in northern Syria. His body was found on Sept. 3 in Aleppo province. He was 28 years old.
The Damage Done in Malakal The Malakal Teaching Hospital in South Sudan, where Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) had been working, was attacked by armed men in February.
The context of these comments is capability and ability of human performance gets something done, not the course completion certificate, not the distinctive being elite uniform, and not career advancement opportunities.
Direct ground combat was not politically correct during WWII or wars happening before WWII. Rules of engagement were not influenced by the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
Fighting conditions particularly in the China, Burma, India (CBI) area was the most inhumane behind enemy lines or in enemy occupied environment to be dealt with. The long range jungle penetration attack, reconnaissance, or downed aircrew rescue was often on foot travel through hundreds of miles of Roadless and no trails wilderness, jungles and swamps. Sustainment supply and resupply was 100% dependent on airdrops.
US Army Special Forces, US Army Rangers, US Navy Special Warfare, US Air Force Battlefield Airmen AFSCs all have linage heritage connecting to either Merrill's Marauders, OSS, or other organizations, units fighting the Japanese in the CBI region.
The following provides reality about being a combatant participating in combat and why ability to do connects to the struggle of surviving in combat where it is kill or be killed.
The attack on Myitkyina was the climax to four months of marching and combat in the Burma jungles. No other American force except the First Marine Division, which took and held Guadalcanal for four months, has had as much uninterrupted jungle fighting service as Merrill's Marauders. But no other American force anywhere had marched as far, fought as continuously or had to display such endurance, as the swift-moving, hard-hitting foot soldiers, of Merrill's Marauders
When the Marauders attacked Myitkyina they had behind them over 800 miles of marching over jungle and mountain roads and tracks. They had to carry all their equipment and supplies on their backs and on the backs of pack mules. Re-supplied by air drops the Marauders often had to make a clearing in the thick jungle to receive the supplies.
Merrill's Marauders (named after Frank Merrill) or Unit Galahad, officially named the 5307th Composite Unit (Provisional), was a United States Army long range penetration special operations jungle warfare unit, which fought in the China-Burma-India Theater of Operations, or CBI, during World War II. The unit became famous for its deep-penetration missions behind Japanese lines, often engaging Japanese forces superior in number. The significance of this film footage is CBI during WWII is where the first parachute in and walk out combat rescue missions occurred.
All nine of the videos documenting US Army Ranger training on Hawaii during 1942 (WWII) are worth watching. However putting this training footage in perspective is footage of a sign hung at the training area that states:
"Our soldiers must have a fighting spirit; if you call that hating enemies, then we must hate with every fiber of our being. We must lust for battle-our objective in life must be to kill…since killing is the objective of our efforts the sooner we get in a killing mood, the better and more skillful we shall be when the real test comes. The struggle is for survival … kill or be killed. We are not going to be killed.” 1942, Lt General Leslie McNair, Chief of Army Ground Force.
General McNair is expressing the same sentiment as expressed by General Patton in a speech to the 3rd Army, 5 June 1944.
The following is considered to be the most accurate reconstruction of Patton's speech to the 3rd Army.
Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight,traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.
You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, every one of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.
You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men.
Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen. All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call "chicken ***** drilling." That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a ***** for a man who's not always on his toes.
You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an *****-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of *****! There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.
An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horseshit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking! We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do.
My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bull ***** either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!
All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, Goddamnit, Americans don't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the 'G.I. Shits'.
Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir.' I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!'
Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the rode to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-bitching roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts.
Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren't combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.
Don't forget, you men don't know that I'm here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this Army. I'm not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the Goddamned Germans. Someday I want to see them raise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl, 'Jesus Christ, it's the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-afucking-bitch Patton.' We want to get the hell over there." The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit.
Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home.
The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler. Just like I'd shoot a snake!
When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cock suckers by the bushel-fucking-basket.
War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do!
I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living ***** out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like ***** through a tin horn!
From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill.
The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.
There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled ***** in Louisiana.' No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!' "That is all."
#685 - 02/14/1505:53 PMRe: Women joining Air Force Special Operations Units, your thoughts?
...Little so far has been revealed about how the various forces within Special Operations Command are planning in light of the upcoming integration deadline. ...
The Navy has announced plans to open up its SEAL track to female sailors as soon as this fall if the Department of Defense ordered the service to integrate. Officials said they don't plan to conduct any test classes ahead of the integration order, however.
In the Air Force, Secretary Deborah Lee James said last fall she plans to open the service's seven male-only jobs -- including special tactics officer and pararescue -- to female airmen by next spring.
Osterman's comments provide the first look at what MARSOC is doing ahead of a possible integration order. The command has a grueling and lengthy training pipeline for its critical skills operators: after an assessment and selection process, Marines undergo the nine-month Individual Training Course. The four phases of ITC cover everything from Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) to irregular warfare and urban combat. ...